Comments on: Spring – You’ve Failed Me http://johannesbrodwall.com/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/ Johannes Brodwall's Musings on Software Architecture and Programming Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:25:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Johannes Brodwall http://johannesbrodwall.com/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5306 Johannes Brodwall Sat, 19 May 2007 15:58:06 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/#comment-5306 Hi, Christian Thanks for the comment. I think your sentiments here are right on the money. XML (or DSLs, for that matter) is not the solution. I hope that new language features like annotations will make it easier to raise the abstraction level in Java, instead of trying to invent a new notation. For some things (e.g. @Transactional), annotations is probably the best solution, for other things, it can help make the wiring code more maintainable, but, like you say, it may not belong in the business logic. Hi, Christian

Thanks for the comment. I think your sentiments here are right on the money. XML (or DSLs, for that matter) is not the solution. I hope that new language features like annotations will make it easier to raise the abstraction level in Java, instead of trying to invent a new notation. For some things (e.g. @Transactional), annotations is probably the best solution, for other things, it can help make the wiring code more maintainable, but, like you say, it may not belong in the business logic.

]]> By: Johannes Brodwall http://johannesbrodwall.com/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/comment-page-1/#comment-84363 Johannes Brodwall Sat, 19 May 2007 13:58:06 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/#comment-84363 Hi, Christian<br><br>Thanks for the comment. I think your sentiments here are right on the money. XML (or DSLs, for that matter) is not the solution. I hope that new language features like annotations will make it easier to raise the abstraction level in Java, instead of trying to invent a new notation. For some things (e.g. @Transactional), annotations is probably the best solution, for other things, it can help make the wiring code more maintainable, but, like you say, it may not belong in the business logic. Hi, Christian

Thanks for the comment. I think your sentiments here are right on the money. XML (or DSLs, for that matter) is not the solution. I hope that new language features like annotations will make it easier to raise the abstraction level in Java, instead of trying to invent a new notation. For some things (e.g. @Transactional), annotations is probably the best solution, for other things, it can help make the wiring code more maintainable, but, like you say, it may not belong in the business logic.

]]> By: Christian Rørdam http://johannesbrodwall.com/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5116 Christian Rørdam Thu, 17 May 2007 10:37:25 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/#comment-5116 I totally agree with you, Johannes and Bjørn. There is absolutely no reason why you should program in XML if you can do it in Java. I think there is a general misunderstanding among many people that separating the wiring code (or the business rules for that matter) from the rest of the code means that one should use a different format. Rubbish! Just put it in a separate place. I haven't tried the annotation style, but I don't like the idea, as it is intrusive. I think the best thing is to have a separate module/package with Java code that wires up the other modules. I totally agree with you, Johannes and Bjørn. There is absolutely no reason why you should program in XML if you can do it in Java. I think there is a general misunderstanding among many people that separating the wiring code (or the business rules for that matter) from the rest of the code means that one should use a different format. Rubbish! Just put it in a separate place.

I haven’t tried the annotation style, but I don’t like the idea, as it is intrusive. I think the best thing is to have a separate module/package with Java code that wires up the other modules.

]]> By: Christian Rørdam http://johannesbrodwall.com/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/comment-page-1/#comment-84362 Christian Rørdam Thu, 17 May 2007 08:37:25 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/#comment-84362 I totally agree with you, Johannes and Bjørn. There is absolutely no reason why you should program in XML if you can do it in Java. I think there is a general misunderstanding among many people that separating the wiring code (or the business rules for that matter) from the rest of the code means that one should use a different format. Rubbish! Just put it in a separate place.<br><br>I haven't tried the annotation style, but I don't like the idea, as it is intrusive. I think the best thing is to have a separate module/package with Java code that wires up the other modules. I totally agree with you, Johannes and Bjørn. There is absolutely no reason why you should program in XML if you can do it in Java. I think there is a general misunderstanding among many people that separating the wiring code (or the business rules for that matter) from the rest of the code means that one should use a different format. Rubbish! Just put it in a separate place.

I haven't tried the annotation style, but I don't like the idea, as it is intrusive. I think the best thing is to have a separate module/package with Java code that wires up the other modules.

]]> By: Kukenspeil http://johannesbrodwall.com/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4945 Kukenspeil Mon, 14 May 2007 20:26:14 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/#comment-4945 I completely agree. The whol project is a disaster and lots of it has to do with the complete clusterfuck of spring XML. I completely agree. The whol project is a disaster and lots of it has to do with the complete clusterfuck of spring XML.

]]> By: Kukenspeil http://johannesbrodwall.com/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/comment-page-1/#comment-84361 Kukenspeil Mon, 14 May 2007 18:26:14 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/#comment-84361 I completely agree. The whol project is a disaster and lots of it has to do with the complete clusterfuck of spring XML. I completely agree. The whol project is a disaster and lots of it has to do with the complete clusterfuck of spring XML.

]]> By: Johannes Brodwall http://johannesbrodwall.com/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4529 Johannes Brodwall Thu, 10 May 2007 08:32:38 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/#comment-4529 Hi, Per Rod showed me the pure Java configuration about a year ago. Since we're still in the process of adopting Java 5, I have not used it yet, so I can't comment on it. But getting teams to stop using Spring XML will be a Good Thing. And the annotation based configuration could potentially help. Hi, Per

Rod showed me the pure Java configuration about a year ago. Since we’re still in the process of adopting Java 5, I have not used it yet, so I can’t comment on it.

But getting teams to stop using Spring XML will be a Good Thing. And the annotation based configuration could potentially help.

]]> By: Johannes Brodwall http://johannesbrodwall.com/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/comment-page-1/#comment-84360 Johannes Brodwall Thu, 10 May 2007 06:32:38 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/#comment-84360 Hi, Per<br><br>Rod showed me the pure Java configuration about a year ago. Since we're still in the process of adopting Java 5, I have not used it yet, so I can't comment on it.<br><br>But getting teams to stop using Spring XML will be a Good Thing. And the annotation based configuration could potentially help. Hi, Per

Rod showed me the pure Java configuration about a year ago. Since we're still in the process of adopting Java 5, I have not used it yet, so I can't comment on it.

But getting teams to stop using Spring XML will be a Good Thing. And the annotation based configuration could potentially help.

]]> By: Per Spilling http://johannesbrodwall.com/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4387 Per Spilling Mon, 07 May 2007 18:51:12 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/#comment-4387 Have you had a look at this? http://blog.interface21.com/main/2006/11/28/a-java-configuration-option-for-spring/ Have you had a look at this?
http://blog.interface21.com/main/2006/11/28/a-java-configuration-option-for-spring/

]]> By: Per Spilling http://johannesbrodwall.com/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/comment-page-1/#comment-84359 Per Spilling Mon, 07 May 2007 16:51:12 +0000 http://www.brodwall.com/johannes/blog/2007/05/05/spring-youve-failed-me/#comment-84359 Have you had a look at this?<br><a href="http://blog.interface21.com/main/2006/11/28/a-java-configuration-option-for-spring/">http://blog.interface21.com/main/2006/11/28/a-j...</a> Have you had a look at this?
http://blog.interface21.com/main/2006/11/28/a-j...

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